{"id":12512,"date":"2026-05-04T10:17:23","date_gmt":"2026-05-04T10:17:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/2026\/05\/04\/barack-obama-considers-his-role-in-the-age-of-trump-the-new-yorker\/"},"modified":"2026-05-04T10:17:23","modified_gmt":"2026-05-04T10:17:23","slug":"barack-obama-considers-his-role-in-the-age-of-trump-the-new-yorker","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/2026\/05\/04\/barack-obama-considers-his-role-in-the-age-of-trump-the-new-yorker\/","title":{"rendered":"Barack Obama Considers His Role in the Age of Trump – The New Yorker"},"content":{"rendered":"
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In Barack Obama\u2019s final days in office, he found himself in the painful position of trying to console his staff, the Democratic Party, and millions of supporters. He attempted to convince them\u2014even if he could not entirely convince himself\u2014that the looming Presidency of Donald Trump was not a national calamity. In the past, he would say, the country had endured slavery, the Civil War, the Great Depression, Jim Crow, assassinations. And, though Trump was alarming in many ways, America was blessed by the strength of its institutions and the resilience of its people. The word \u201cguardrails\u201d was uttered constantly. In Obama\u2019s estimation, Trump would not erase all his achievements. As he put it, \u201cMaybe fifteen per cent of that gets rolled back.\u201d<\/p>\n

This kind of calm was pure Obama. His appeal had as much to do with character and temperament as it did with his center-left ideology. Although Obama believed that Trump\u2019s ugliest slurs against him, particularly his deployment of the birther theory, were a racist outrage that heightened the threats against him and his family, he now took pains to set aside his contempt. Insuring that there was another orderly transition of power\u2014that, too, was part of his rhetoric of consolation.<\/p>\n

Such poise was not easy to sustain. When Obama met Trump for a ritual pre-Inauguration visit to the Oval Office, he was struck by how unschooled and incurious the President-elect was. Trump, Obama told people, seemed indifferent to hearing about potential national-security perils\u2014North Korea, Russia\u2014preferring to brag about the size of the crowds at his campaign rallies. Obama pitched Trump on preserving several of his signature achievements, including the Affordable Care Act and the Iran nuclear deal. Trump responded that he would consider the request, and Obama thought it was not impossible that he meant it.<\/p>\n

Obama travelled to Greece and spoke about the virtues of democracy; he thanked the people who had worked on his campaigns and his supporters. With a Trump Presidency ahead, these were wearing performances. And so, to provide some relief and release, Obama also put on a series of upbeat valedictory events at the White House. Bruce Springsteen, a friend of the Obamas\u2019, played an acoustic concert for staff in the East Room. He dedicated \u201cTougher Than the Rest\u201d to Barack and Michelle and ended by playing an anthem of American inclusiveness, \u201cLand of Hope and Dreams.\u201d Obama, who had started thinking about his memoirs, hosted a lunch with some of his favorite writers: Zadie Smith, Junot D\u00edaz, Barbara Kingsolver, Colson Whitehead, and Dave Eggers. \u201cWhat surprised me was how completely unbowed President Obama was, how certain he was that the country would find its way,\u201d D\u00edaz later wrote. \u201cHe burned with optimism and faith invincible.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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The most exuberant farewell event\u2014a dance party at the White House\u2014took place on January 6th. It was a freezing night, and people shivered outside as they waited to get past security. There were campaign donors and loyal staffers in the crowd, but also a starry list of entertainment executives, musicians, actors, and athletes: Barry Diller, Oprah Winfrey, John Legend and Chrissy Teigen, Paul McCartney, George Clooney, Robert De Niro, Meryl Streep, Magic Johnson. Questlove was the music director. Stevie Wonder and Solange performed. The Electric Slide was danced, with Michelle Obama very much in the lead. As dawn approached, chicken and waffles were served.<\/p>\n

\u201cThere was laughing, there was loving, there was hugs,\u201d Chance the Rapper said in a video he posted at 4:33 A.M.<\/em> \u201cIt was historic, it was Black, it was beautiful.\u201d And yet there were distinctly mixed emotions at the party, and it was no mystery why: the first Black President was being replaced by someone who had expressed little but scorn for him. Janelle Mon\u00e1e, leaving the dance floor in a lather of sweat, told someone why she had kept at it for so long. \u201cThat\u2019s easy,\u201d she said. \u201cNo way I\u2019m getting invited back to this<\/em> house anytime soon.\u201d<\/p>\n

Years later, Sharon Malone, a Washington doctor and the wife of the former Attorney General Eric Holder, said, about that night, \u201cYou realized that an era was coming to an end, and it was the last moment of joy we were going to have in that White House.\u201d She added, \u201cWe were making the best of a bad situation.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Ten days before Trump moved in, Obama flew to Chicago, where he had launched his political career, to deliver a speech that laid out his case for why the country was where it was. Rising economic inequality had sparked the cynicism and polarization that lifted Trump into office, he said. He called on different ethnic and racial groups to listen to one another from a position of trust, and to build a new social contract. \u201cWe all have to try harder,\u201d he said. \u201cWe all have to start with the premise that each of our fellow-citizens loves this country just as much as we do.\u201d He finished with a promise about the battles ahead: \u201cI will be right there with you, as a citizen, for all of my remaining days.\u201d<\/p>\n

A few weeks ago, I spoke to Obama about how he\u2019s spent the past decade\u2014and whether events have shaken the confidence that he expressed in that farewell speech. \u201cI would be dishonest if I didn\u2019t acknowledge that,\u201d he replied. How Obama has used his time\u2014including since Trump returned to office\u2014says much about how he sees his role, its potential and its limits.<\/p>\n

On January 20, 2017, as Donald Trump was being sworn in as the forty-fifth President, the Obamas sat on the reviewing stand. Michelle noted the predominantly white and male faces around them. At some point, she stopped even trying to smile. \u201cThere was no color on that stage,\u201d she said later. \u201cThere was no reflection of the broader sense of America.\u201d<\/p>\n

After the new President delivered his \u201cAmerican carnage\u201d speech\u2014a dark address that led George W. Bush to note, \u201cThat was some weird shit\u201d\u2014the Obamas flew by helicopter to Joint Base Andrews, where they boarded a plane that took them to Palm Springs for a vacation. On the flight, Michelle sobbed uncontrollably for a half hour. \u201cIt was just the release of eight years of trying to do everything perfectly,\u201d she said in an onstage interview with Winfrey in 2018. \u201cI said to Barack, \u2018That was so hard. What we just did was so hard, and I\u2019ve wanted to say that for eight years.\u2019\u00a0\u201d No small part of the pressure they felt was the threat of violence. According to the Washington Post<\/em>, the Secret Service assessed that the Obamas had faced three times as many threats as previous First Families. One night in 2011, a gunman fired seven shots that hit the White House; one struck ballistic glass on the Truman Balcony, where the Obamas often sat.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Despite the drama of Trump\u2019s victory, Obama left office proud of his Administration\u2019s achievements: the economic recovery, the rescue of the auto industry, the Affordable Care Act, the Paris climate accord, the legalization of gay marriage, the Iran nuclear deal, the restoration of diplomatic relations with Cuba. But he relished the prospect of a new life. He told me that, during his time in the White House, he had a recurring dream about sitting on a park bench unattended, or stopping by a bodega unrecognized. \u201cCaptivity,\u201d he said, was the hardest part of the job. \u201cThat loss of anonymity is profound, and you don\u2019t get it back.\u201d Still, to be free of the pressures of the position, and to enjoy the perks of having been an enormously popular President\u2014well, that had its appeal. John Updike once published a short, wry essay in this magazine arguing that the American Presidency \u201cis merely a way station en route to the blessed condition of being an ex-President.\u201d Obama might agree on some days. Even before leaving the White House, he often joked with friends that \u201cthe best job in the world is ex-President.\u201d<\/p>\n

In this, Obama had myriad examples, to embrace or avoid. George Washington returned to Mount Vernon and established a profitable whiskey distillery. Thomas Jefferson founded and built the University of Virginia. John Quincy Adams, who once remarked that \u201cthere is nothing more pathetic in life than a former President,\u201d found satisfaction back in the House of Representatives, where he was a voice for the abolition of slavery. In debt and terminally ill, Ulysses S. Grant rescued his family\u2019s finances by selling his memoirs to his publisher and editor, Mark Twain. William Howard Taft became Chief Justice of the United States. Herbert Hoover helped direct the restructuring of the executive branch but also revelled in his leisure. (\u201cAll men are equal before fish,\u201d he wrote in \u201cFishing for Fun,\u201d a cheerful angling memoir.) The most idealistic former President was surely Jimmy Carter, whose projects ranged from building housing for the poor to battling to eradicate guinea-worm disease in Africa. \u201cI can\u2019t deny I\u2019m a better ex-President than I was a President,\u201d he once said.<\/p>\n

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At first, Obama\u2019s plan was to recover and spend time with Michelle and their daughters, Malia and Sasha, far from the political fray. In those early days, the Obamas slept late. They read, they worked out, they travelled. Barack recognized the need for some marital rebalancing. \u201cI had a big deficit with my wife and had to kind of work my way out,\u201d he said last year, on Marc Maron\u2019s podcast. But at the same time, he recalled, he started thinking, \u201cWhat\u2019s my next highest and best use, and what\u2019s a new purpose that scratches that itch?\u201d<\/p>\n

Obama went on to build a Presidential center, in Chicago, that reflects his commitment to grassroots organizing. Slated to open this spring, on Juneteenth, it will be the headquarters of the Obama Foundation, a sprawling training and networking operation for young leaders that has been his primary focus since leaving the White House. In politics, he transitioned to mentoring and advising younger Democrats and joining candidates on the campaign trail each election cycle.<\/p>\n

He also set out to make serious money. In March, 2017, the Obamas signed a sixty-five-million<\/a>-dollar joint book deal with Penguin Random House. Obama had written books before, but he found the composition of Presidential memoirs slow going. He published the first volume, \u201cA Promised Land,\u201d in 2020. (It was excerpted in these pages.) He told me that he intends for the second volume to come out later this year. Michelle had more immediate success. A memoir, \u201cBecoming,\u201d was released in 2018 and sold more than seventeen million copies, earning back the publisher\u2019s advance and then some. Her book tour sold out about thirty arenas, including Chicago\u2019s United Center, where fourteen thousand people paid to see her in conversation with Winfrey. Barack and Michelle have since published several more best-selling titles.<\/p>\n

The Obamas no longer need to make their tax returns public. There is no knowing how much money they\u2019ve made in the past nine years\u2014or how much money they\u2019ve given to charity\u2014but their receipts certainly reach nine figures, from book sales, speeches, and deals with Netflix, Spotify, and Audible. Over time, they have built a considerable real-estate portfolio. They still own the house in Chicago where they lived when Obama was in the U.S. Senate. Shortly after leaving the White House, they spent $8.1 million on a home in the Kalorama neighborhood of Washington, D.C. Six years ago, they bought an $11.75-million waterfront estate on Martha\u2019s Vineyard from an owner of the Boston Celtics. They also built a beachfront house on the Hawaiian island of Oahu.<\/p>\n

As the Trump Administration began to assert itself with such policies as the Muslim ban and family separation, even some of Obama\u2019s most loyal constituents grew frustrated with the ex-President\u2019s luxurious vacations. In February of 2017, the British business magnate Richard Branson posted photos of Obama learning to kite surf off Branson\u2019s private island, in the Caribbean. The comedian John Oliver said, \u201cJust tone it down with the kitesurfing pictures. I\u2019m glad he\u2019s having a nice time. America is on fire.\u201d A few months later, the Obamas were photographed in Tahiti on David Geffen\u2019s yacht, along with Springsteen, Winfrey, and Tom Hanks.<\/p>\n

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The Obamas\u2019 travels became regular tabloid fodder. Summers playing golf on the Vineyard. A spin along the Italian Riviera on Steven Spielberg\u2019s yacht. Well-paid speeches in foreign capitals (with V.I.P. packages selling for more than two thousand dollars apiece). In 2023, at a Springsteen performance in Barcelona, Michelle picked up a tambourine and joined the band onstage for \u201cGlory Days.\u201d (\u201cHow cool is my wife?\u201d Barack said from the wings.)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Meanwhile, the American prospect darkened. The daily outrages of Trump\u2019s first term and the January 6th insurrection were followed by Joe Biden\u2019s belated withdrawal from the 2024 race and Kamala Harris\u2019s frantic hundred-day campaign. Trump\u2019s second term has proved so radical that officials from his first Administration\u2014including a former chief of staff and a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff\u2014have referred to him as a fascist. And the worse things got, the more you heard the question \u201cWhere is Obama?\u201d<\/p>\n

Obama\u2019s first Presidential campaign was ignited by his opposition to George W. Bush\u2019s war in Iraq. And yet, when Obama won the Presidency, Bush greeted him with graceful comments of welcome, and then embarked on a retirement characterized by reticence. He raised money for a library, took up painting, and kept his mouth shut. \u201cHe deserves my silence,\u201d Bush said at the time. \u201cI think it\u2019s time for the ex-President to tap-dance off the stage and let the current President have a go at solving the world\u2019s problems.\u201d In fact, Bush proved to be a friend to the Obamas, despite their political differences.<\/p>\n

In the modern Presidency, it has not been uncommon for old rivals to confide in one another. On the night that John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Lyndon Johnson, after being sworn in to office, called Dwight Eisenhower and said, \u201cI need you more than ever now.\u201d Eisenhower visited him in the Oval Office and wrote out on a legal pad what he thought Johnson should tell an emergency session of Congress. Richard Nixon dispensed political wisdom about Russian leadership to Bill Clinton. Truman once said, \u201cThere is no conversation so sweet as that of former political enemies.\u201d But this is yet another Presidential norm that has collapsed: since entering the White House, Trump has never called Obama. (Trump, in turn, has not been invited to the opening of Obama\u2019s Presidential center.)<\/p>\n

In the final press conference of his Presidency, Obama said, \u201cI want to be quiet a little bit and not hear myself talk so darn much.\u201d He expected to speak out only in \u201ccertain moments where I think our core values may be at stake.\u201d Representative Pramila Jayapal, a Democrat from Washington State, told me that during Trump\u2019s first term she often wondered, of Obama, \u201cWhy isn\u2019t he out here?\u201d She understood the former President\u2019s desire to take a break after his White House years, but as the picture grew grimmer, she said, she heard friends and constituents comment, \u201cOur country\u2019s being destroyed, and you\u2019re doing your Netflix thing and your Hawaii thing?\u201d She went on, \u201cI still remember his speech on race and singing \u2018Amazing Grace\u2019 in the South Carolina church. There were these moments when he was able to grab the attention of the country. What if he had done that in a way that gave people a North Star at these really difficult moments?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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I heard similarly plaintive remarks from some former Obama staffers. Cornell Belcher, who was a member of Obama\u2019s polling team during his two Presidential campaigns, told me that he sees an imperative for Obama to work against \u201cforces of darkness\u2014not because they\u2019re Republican but because they\u2019re anti-democratic.\u201d Belcher thinks that the 2026 midterm elections will be won not just on pocketbook issues but on values and character, and by bringing people together in a multiracial coalition. \u201cThis moment calls for him to take a better and bigger position,\u201d Belcher said. \u201cWe need a return of the Jedi.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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It\u2019s not just the commentariat asking. \u201cWe don\u2019t see him much, truthfully. I wish we could see him more,\u201d Jack Kahn, a real-estate manager who heard Obama speak at a New Jersey campaign rally last year, said. \u201cHe should tell people to have faith, to stick together, to get things to swing back in the right direction.\u201d<\/p>\n

Obama\u2019s popularity is immense. A Gallup survey last year found that he was seen favorably by ninety-six per cent of Democrats. When the Institute for Family Studies, a conservative think tank, asked two thousand young men last year whom they most looked up to in the worlds of politics, entertainment, religion, and tech, Obama came out on top. John Della Volpe, who directs polling at Harvard\u2019s Institute of Politics, conducted a survey for a private research firm he runs and found that Obama\u2019s favorability rating among young people was sixty-four per cent, with only eleven per cent seeing him very unfavorably. Obama\u2019s standing, Della Volpe told me, is \u201cliterally the opposite of where Trump and other Democrats are right now.\u201d<\/p>\n

But, as popular as Obama is in many circles, Democrats are divided on whether he is an appropriate avatar for the Party as it labors to advance new leaders. \u201cIs it realistic to think that Obama\u2014on the horizon, rising from the ashes\u2014is going to lead us forward?\u201d Senator Tina Smith, a Minnesota Democrat, said. \u201cI would say that we are all a little na\u00efve if we think that can happen again. There\u2019s nostalgia for him. Yet\u2014how can I put this?\u2014in the political world that I\u2019m in, there is an understanding that we are in a different time.\u201d As she thought about the pleas for Obama to assert himself more in the public arena, she recalled a piece of wisdom often attributed to H.\u00a0L. Mencken: For every complicated question, there\u2019s an easy answer that\u2019s almost always neat, plausible, and wrong.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Maurice Mitchell, the national director of the Working Families Party, which operates to the left of much of the Democratic leadership, sees Obama as a \u201crich, famous guy.\u201d But Mitchell points out that the former President still commands \u201ctremendous trust\u201d from a large portion of the electorate. He said that he wished Obama were making a more robust effort to expand the progressive coalition. \u201cThis is a time to be part of the united front against fascism,\u201d Mitchell told me. \u201cWhat he could do, and I think few people could do, is signal that disruptive, insurgent leadership is actually a requirement in this moment.\u201d<\/p>\n

Presidents once devoted life after the White House to living peaceably, under a \u201cvine and fig tree,\u201d as George Washington put it. \u201cObama is in a position that no other President has really faced,\u201d David Axelrod, who helped engineer Obama\u2019s political ascent, said. \u201cBecause people are so desperate for leadership at a time when they feel like Trump is running amok, they turn backward and say, \u2018You know, Obama should be that guy.\u2019 He\u2019s still searching for just the right formula.\u201d<\/p>\n

I met with Obama at his new Presidential center, on the South Side of Chicago. He is sixty-four, and his close-cropped hair has grayed. He has also made that terrible, if inevitable, transition of late middle age from the joy of sports to the obligation of exercise. There is a basketball court in the new complex, but he conceded, \u201cI\u2019ve hung up my full-court game out of concern for popping my Achilles. When I left the Oval Office, I thought, \u2018I\u2019ve been pressing my luck.\u2019\u00a0\u201d<\/p>\n

In our conversation, Obama made it plain that he no longer harbors illusions about the nature of the Trump Presidency. His early prediction that Trump was capable of rolling back only a modest percentage of Obama\u2019s achievements, and that political norms would prevail, has not remotely proved to be the case. Trump has used the Justice Department to prosecute his political enemies. He has politicized the Pentagon. He flouts every definition of political decency as he threatens to bomb Iran back \u201cto the Stone Ages.\u201d Yet what, exactly, can Obama do about it? As he called out to a heckler last year, \u201cSir, I\u2019m not the President of the United States currently. So there\u2019s no point in shouting at me.\u201d In other moments, he compares himself to Michael Corleone, in the \u201cGodfather\u201d movies, who never quite manages to escape the family business, and says, \u201cJust when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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I asked Obama whether he considers what else he could do. \u201cI think about it every day,\u201d he said. He believes that if he spoke out much more often\u2014if he tried to combat every outrageous utterance and misbegotten policy from the Trump White House\u2014he would quickly diminish his impact.<\/p>\n

\u201cFor me to function like Jon Stewart, even once a week, just going off, just ripping what was happening\u2014which, by the way, I\u2019m glad Jon\u2019s doing it\u2014then I\u2019m not a political leader, I\u2019m a commentator,\u201d Obama told me. In fact, he insisted, he is doing more than people realize. \u201cThe media environment is so difficult that people don\u2019t even know all the stuff I am doing, right?\u201d he said. \u201cAnd, I think, when they do see me, then the sense is Well, why isn\u2019t he doing that every day instead of just during a midterm election, or during a referendum campaign around gerrymandering, or what have you?\u201d<\/p>\n

Trump\u2019s recklessness has drawn Obama to work in politics \u201cmore than I would have preferred,\u201d he said. He has campaigned around the country in each election cycle since leaving office. He has hosted fund-raisers and recorded dozens of video ads and robocalls. When he talks about his role in helping to oppose Trump, he argues that his influence should be gauged not only by the number of speeches he gives or by his appearances in legacy news outlets but also by the audiences he reaches in other ways. He markets Netflix projects that carry messages of liberal uplift. He has met with numerous podcasters and influencers. (His senior adviser Eric Schultz referred to this as showing up \u201cin unexpected places.\u201d) He has spoken with the twenty-seven-year-old Uruguayan American Carlos Eduardo Espina, who has more than twenty-two million followers across platforms and gets billions of views a year on TikTok. He has sat down with Victor Fontanez, a heavily tattooed young barber and influencer better known as VicBlends. Fontanez interviewed Obama in 2024 while giving him a haircut\u2014a conversation that got more than twenty-four million views on TikTok. A talk with Hasan Minhaj drew more than 8.5 million YouTube views.<\/p>\n

\u201cPeople who are going to be decisive in elections going forward do not seek out information about politics\u2014they encounter<\/em> it,\u201d David Plouffe, Obama\u2019s longtime strategist, told me. \u201cObama will talk about things, and there will be video clips that are interesting to people, because it\u2019s not like a droning on in a political speech.\u201d<\/p>\n

Still, Obama parcels his time with care. He told me that the demands of his schedule are of great concern to Michelle: \u201cShe wants to see her husband easing up and spending more time with her, enjoying what remains of our lives.\u201d Of the pressure on him to be on the campaign circuit, he said, \u201cIt does create a genuine tension in our household, and it frustrates her. I\u2019m more forgiving of it, in the sense that I understand why people feel that way, because people aren\u2019t looking at me in historical comparison to other Presidents. They don\u2019t care about the fact that no other ex-President was the main surrogate for the Party for four election cycles after they left office.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Ever the optimist, Obama shifted out of his defensive posture. \u201cThe fact that people want me to be \u2018doing more\u2019 is a good<\/em> sign,\u201d he said. It indicates that \u201cthere has not been as decided a shift in American attitudes as we are making out. And that\u2019s part of the reason people are frustrated. Sometimes it\u2019s directed toward me, which is fine because they kind of sense, Wait, how can we be doing this when I know that\u2019s not who we were? And I don\u2019t think it\u2019s really who we are now.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cWhen George Bush was elected, it was very close,\u201d Obama continued. \u201cI think there was a Zeitgeist of, like, You know what? We\u2019re kind of in a conservative mood. We went through the Clinton years, and now we kind of want this change. And then, when I was elected, I think there was a genuine shift in attitudes. You look at surveys\u2014people had become more progressive around a whole host of issues that had been divisive. I think it\u2019s fair to say there\u2019s some shift that took place between when I left office, in 2016, and today. There was maybe some marginal overreach\u2014or, at least, people weren\u2019t ready to go as far as the Twitter left wanted to go on certain issues. But you look at surveys, it\u2019s not like suddenly people said, you know, \u2018We don\u2019t believe in gay marriage.\u2019 They didn\u2019t suddenly say, \u2018Yeah, we think it\u2019s O.K. to discriminate on race.\u2019\u00a0\u201d<\/p>\n

Obama has encountered Trump in person from time to time, most recently at Jimmy Carter\u2019s funeral, in January of 2025, when they sat chatting amiably before the service. It is not lost on the Obamas that Trump continues to show them disdain, often referring to Obama as Barack Hussein<\/em> Obama, as if to suggest otherness. Last year, he said that Obama was guilty of \u201ctreason\u201d and unspooled a conspiracy theory that Obama had manipulated intelligence in an attempt to undermine Trump\u2019s election in 2016. \u201cOne of the greatest political scandals in American history,\u201d Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, called it. \u201cA years-long coup,\u201d Tulsi Gabbard, Trump\u2019s director of National Intelligence, added. The President post<\/a>ed a fake video of himself smiling as Obama was arrested by the F.B.I. The accusations provoked a rare, testy reaction from Obama. \u201cOur office does not normally dignify the constant nonsense and misinformation flowing out of this White House with a response,\u201d a spokesman said.<\/a> \u201cBut these claims are outrageous enough to merit one. These bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction.\u201d More recently, Trump\u2019s Truth Social account shared a racist video depicting the Obamas as apes. Leavitt called criticism of the video \u201cfake outrage.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cI don\u2019t take it personally,\u201d Obama told me. \u201cI mean, I\u2019m always offended when my wife and kids get dragged into things, because they didn\u2019t choose this.\u00a0.\u00a0.\u00a0. That\u2019s a line that even people whose politics I deeply reject, I would expect them to care about. I would never talk about somebody\u2019s family in that way.\u201d Obama said he was more concerned about A.I.-generated videos Trump has posted that treat war \u201clike a video game\u201d and show \u201cexcrement dumped on ordinary citizens.\u201d Obama laughed ruefully. \u201cI mean, I\u2019m a fair target in the sense of, yeah, you can feel free to pick on me, because I\u2019m your own size,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Obama speaks about affronts in a register of deliberate calm. Still, he has said that the country is in \u201ca political crisis of the sort we haven\u2019t seen before.\u201d He told me that, when people ask him whether he sees the MAGA<\/em> movement and Trump\u2019s consolidation of power in Washington as a repudiation of his Presidency, he replies, \u201c\u00a0\u2018No, actually, sixty per cent of the country still agrees with me.\u2019 So I don\u2019t take it personally. But it does remind me of the fact that if you have an activated and empowered right wing that first captures the Republican Party and then gets ahold of the federal government, that can do a lot of damage pretty quickly.\u201d Obama described himself as \u201cdismayed\u201d by Congress\u2019s obedience to Trump and by the Administration\u2019s disregard for democratic fundamentals. \u201cWe believe in voting and elections, and we believe in democracy\u2014even though we don\u2019t always exercise it perfectly, at least we try to fake it,\u201d he said. \u201cWe believe in not politicizing the criminal-justice system or politicizing the military.\u201d<\/p>\n

In fact, there is little that Obama has left unsaid about Trump in the past fifteen years. He and Michelle had prime-time roles at the Democratic National Conventions in 2020 and 2024, where they made clear their abhorrence of the man who rose to political prominence through his lies about Obama\u2019s birth and, once in office, laid waste to so many values that they had done their best to honor. Michelle has felt particularly liberated in speaking her mind. At the 2024 Convention, she posed a stark question about Trump: \u201cWho\u2019s going to tell him that the job he is currently seeking might just be one of those \u2018Black jobs\u2019?\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cIt\u2019s his same old con,\u201d she continued. \u201cDoubling down on ugly, misogynistic, racist lies as a substitute for real ideas and solutions that will actually make people\u2019s lives better.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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At the same Convention, Barack Obama called the modern G.O.P. \u201ca cult of personality.\u201d Trump, he said, \u201chasn\u2019t stopped whining about his problems since he rode down his golden escalator nine years ago.\u00a0.\u00a0.\u00a0. There\u2019s the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories, this weird obsession with crowd sizes.\u201d As he said this, he moved his hands closer together, seeming to suggest a distinctly modest penis size.<\/p>\n

In the past year, Obama has watched with disbelief as Trump has used his office to enrich himself and his family, and almost daily commits some sort of travesty. At times, often late at night, Obama will fire off a text or an e-mail to a friend about \u201csome dumbass thing Trump did,\u201d Ben Rhodes, who served as Obama\u2019s deputy national-security adviser and is now a consultant to him, said. \u201cWhat drives him insane is the double standard: \u2018What if I took a Qatari jet?\u2019 It\u2019s not even just sour grapes. It\u2019s objectively insane. If Barack Obama did any of these things, he would have been obliterated on sight.\u201d<\/p>\n

Obama has told Rhodes and others that he is sure he could have beaten Trump. \u201cHe\u2019s frustrated,\u201d Rhodes said, explaining that the former President has made comments to the effect of \u201cI\u2019d love to just be in the ring with this guy.\u201d No such prospect is in the offing, of course, and dwelling on it is of little use. As Michelle Obama told Stephen Colbert, in 2022, \u201cRage without reason, without a plan, without direction is just more rage. And we\u2019ve been living in a lot of rage.\u201d<\/p>\n

In the greater public, a dangerous, inchoate rage directed at Barack Obama persists alongside the widespread affection for him. And that rage demands vigilance. When Obama first ran for President, he received Secret Service protection earlier than any candidate before him, apart from Hillary Clinton, who had a permanent security detail as a former First Lady. After Trump was grazed by a bullet in Butler, Pennsylvania, in 2024, Obama\u2019s security team made sure that campaign rallies he attended were held indoors, where audiences would pass through metal detectors. Such precautions, of course, did not prevent a gunman from sprinting through a security checkpoint outside this year\u2019s White House Correspondents\u2019 Association dinner. As with all former Presidents and their spouses, the Obamas have twenty-four-hour protection at home and wherever they travel.<\/p>\n

The security is \u201cthe most intrusive thing,\u201d Jonathan Wackrow, a former member of the Obamas\u2019 Secret Service team, told me. But he added that it is a necessity: \u201cThe threat environment is not linear. It\u2019s asymmetric and it\u2019s very dynamic.\u201d In 2023, police arrested Taylor Taranto\u2014a January 6th defendant who was pardoned by Trump\u2014after finding him with guns and several hundred rounds of ammunition near the Obamas\u2019 house in Washington, D.C. (He was sentenced to time served.) Arne Duncan, the former Secretary of Education and a friend of Obama\u2019s, said, \u201cCould someone try and do something crazy tomorrow? Tragically, that\u2019s the time we\u2019re in. That\u2019s where we are as a country.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Around Election Day, Obama amps up his schedule of public appearances. Last fall, he spoke at a rally in Newark for Mikie Sherrill, now the governor of New Jersey. Dressed casually, in a blue shirt with the collar open and the sleeves rolled up, he offered a reel of recent lowlights in Trump\u2019s Presidency, from the two-hundred-and-thirty-million-dollar payment that Trump is seeking from the Justice Department to the masked ICE<\/em> agents leaping out of unmarked vans and \u201cgrabbing people off the streets, including U.S. citizens.\u201d With smiling incredulity, Obama riffed on Republicans\u2019 demonization of diversity-equity-and-inclusion initiatives: \u201cYou got a flat tire? Must be D.E.I. Your wife kicked you out? D.E.I. Who knew?\u201d The crowd hooted and laughed. \u201cI\u2019ll admit it\u2019s worse than even I expected,\u201d Obama said. \u201cBut I did warn y\u2019all. I did.\u201d<\/p>\n

Obama took a breath and announced that he was \u201cgoing to bring it down a little bit.\u201d He then embarked on a survey of the country\u2019s political history, recalling Black people who were enslaved, women who could not vote, Irish and Italian immigrants who could not get jobs. The United States is living the duelling stories that flowed from the injustices of its founding, he said, \u201ca pecking order of who makes decisions and who obeys, who gets opportunity and who is obliged to serve. And that story is policed by fear and by force, and it tries to convince people that for their group to win another group has got to lose.\u201d This is Trump\u2019s world, he said, and that\u2019s what MAGA<\/em> wants, \u201ceven when they don\u2019t know what the hell they\u2019re doing.\u201d When he finished, he slapped the side of the lectern and headed for the rope line as Springsteen\u2019s \u201cLand of Hope and Dreams\u201d played.<\/p>\n

That same day, Obama had a call with Zohran Mamdani, who was on the brink of winning the New York City mayoral race. Mamdani came out of the Democratic Socialists of America and once lambasted Obama as \u201cpretty damn evil\u201d and dishonest. But Mamdani has since renounced those remarks, calling them \u201cthe stupid tweet of a college student\u201d and has welcomed Obama\u2019s counsel. Recently, the two visited a pre-K center in the Bronx together, singing \u201cThe Wheels on the Bus\u201d as they promoted the Mayor\u2019s push for free universal child care. The event was out of the ordinary for Obama, who rarely appears with politicians off the campaign trail. But the former President has said that he is impressed by Mamdani\u2019s ability to get across a clear political message, often via social media, and by his talent for inspiring young volunteers. Obama conceded that someone like Mamdani is a far better spokesman on issues like affordability than he is, not least because the former President no longer faces such problems. \u201cI strongly believe that my highest and best use now is to help find the next set of leaders who are going to move us forward,\u201d he told me. \u201cAnd part of it is because I think the very best leaders can tap into the Zeitgeist of the moment.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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With the 2028 Presidential race approaching, Obama has shown no interest in early endorsements. His mentoring efforts so far have mostly been further down the ballot. Representative Yassamin Ansari, of Arizona, received an unexpected call from the former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi last fall. Pelosi wanted Ansari, the president of the freshman Democratic class in Congress, to tell her fellow first-years that it would be worth their while to attend an upcoming gathering at Representative Rosa DeLauro\u2019s house. When Ansari learned that Obama would speak to the group, she was thrilled. She was sixteen years old on the night he won the Presidency, and she remembers sobbing. \u201cI watched his victory speech over and over and over again, and it changed the trajectory of my life,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n

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Thirty-five members of Congress attended the gathering. \u201cI get feeling discouraged sometimes,\u201d Obama acknowledged to them. \u201cI get feeling worn out, tired, and embattled.\u201d He reminded them that Democrats had been in similar straits twenty years earlier, after the 2004 election, when Republicans controlled the White House and Congress. Barely four years later, he was elected President, Democrats ran the Senate, and Pelosi was the first female Speaker of the House. He urged them to resist cynicism and defeatism. Ansari told me that his message was \u201cKeep going. We will overcome this. There will be a world beyond Trump.\u201d<\/p>\n

Beto O\u2019Rourke, a former Texas congressman who ran for the Senate and the Democratic nomination for President, said that conversations with Obama had buoyed him when he lost successive races. (O\u2019Rourke figured that Obama knew what he was going through, having lost a 2000 congressional primary to Bobby Rush by thirty-one points.) \u201cThis is the darkest hour in modern American history,\u201d O\u2019Rourke told me. \u201cI don\u2019t think the stakes have ever been this high, and to know that Obama will continue to be in this fight gives me some comfort.\u201d He thinks that Obama is wise not to go head to head on a regular basis with Trump, who lives for such brawls: \u201cIf he were to do it in a big, public, confrontational way, it would be counterproductive.\u201d<\/p>\n

Obama has occasionally extended his counsel to foreign leaders. He had several conversations with Keir Starmer before his election as the U.K.\u2019s Prime Minister. Starmer\u2019s Labour colleague David Lammy, who arranged the talks, thought that Obama could offer useful advice to Starmer, the son of a working-class toolmaker. \u201cIt was Obama who encouraged him to lean into his relatively humble beginnings,\u201d Lammy, now the Deputy Prime Minister, said. \u201cObama urged him to move to the center ground, to simplify his message, and think about what builds momentum.\u201d He said that the former President had similar discussions with progressive opposition leaders in other countries.<\/p>\n

Calls have come to Obama, too, from university presidents, corporate executives, and law partners who want advice on how to respond to Trump\u2019s latest beyond-the-pale demands. He typically listens, acknowledges the conundrums, and urges the callers to find ways to resist. \u201cWhat\u2019s required in these situations is a few folks standing up and giving courage to other folks,\u201d Obama told Marc Maron last year. \u201cWe all have this capacity, I think, to take a stand.\u201d He added, \u201cIf convictions don\u2019t cost anything, then they\u2019re really just kind of fashion.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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In Obama\u2019s post-Presidency, he has relished the chance to wander deep into the weeds of policy subjects that interest him. He and Eric Holder, the former Attorney General, founded a project, called the National Democratic Redistricting Committee, that works to steer states away from gerrymandering. Obama raised millions of dollars, produced a raft of advertisements, and took the unusual step of endorsing dozens of candidates for state legislative office. Then, last summer, the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, acting on a request from Trump, pressed the state legislature to carve out five likely G.O.P. congressional districts, in the hope of keeping control of the House. It took Obama \u201cless than a nanosecond\u201d to decide to fight back, Pelosi told me, despite his long-standing support for nonpartisan electoral maps. In comments that received national attention, Obama said, \u201cWe cannot unilaterally allow one of the two major parties to rig the game.\u201d<\/p>\n

Soon, Obama became the face of a California ballot measure, called Proposition 50, that would allow the legislature to create five new Democratic districts in the state. \u201cWith Prop 50, you can stop Republicans in their tracks,\u201d he said in one ad. Strategists tested his reputation alongside those of other well-known Democrats. \u201cNot even close,\u201d Addisu Demissie, a senior adviser to the Prop 50 campaign, said. \u201cHis favorability was 89\u201310, with seventy-five per cent very favorable. Jesus Christ is probably 93\u20137.\u201d The measure passed by a margin of nearly two to one. Obama played a similar role last month in Virginia, where voters narrowly authorized the Democrat-led legislature to draw new congressional maps that could cost Republicans as many as four seats. Michael Smith, the president of the progressive group House Majority Forward, which spent roughly forty million dollars on the effort, said, of Obama, \u201cThis victory simply would not have happened without him.\u201d He expects that the former President will be active in the upcoming midterm campaigns \u201cin big moments when we need someone to step in and make the difference.\u201d<\/p>\n

Lately, Obama has been immersed in questions about the science and the ramifications of artificial intelligence. He\u2019s devoted \u201chundreds and hundreds of hours, quite literally,\u201d to the subject, Rhodes told me. The topic captured Obama\u2019s attention in the White House, ahead of the increasingly intense debates surrounding A.I.\u2019s promise and perils. Jason Goldman, a onetime Google and Twitter executive, has helped to guide his explorations, joining him in meetings with Silicon Valley specialists and Biden-era federal employees.<\/p>\n

\u201cHe\u2019s kind of a geek,\u201d Goldman told me. \u201cThe happiest I\u2019ve seen him is when there\u2019s a meaty problem on the table, it\u2019s an unsolved problem, and there are a bunch of different people around the table who have a framework for how to approach the thing.\u201d Behind the scenes, Obama played a role<\/a> in developing Biden\u2019s 2023 executive order<\/a> on A.I., which, among other things, required companies to conduct safety tests on certain new products and share the results with the government before releasing them. \u201cAnyone working to harness the power of these new tools has to make a choice: ignore potential problems until it\u2019s too late, or proactively address them,\u201d Obama wrote<\/a> at the time. Trump rescinded Biden\u2019s order on the day he took office.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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In our conversation, Obama said that he plans to help formulate an A.I. agenda for lawmakers and researchers, one \u201cthat is not simply a knee-jerk \u2018Screw the billionaires in tech,\u2019 because the genie\u2019s out of the bottle. But, rather, how do we have a smart, enforceable strategy for steering this toward the common good, as opposed to just private gain? If we do not have an agenda for that, then I think some of the populist impulses that have been there already can go in all kinds of stray directions that are either not going to be particularly successful in helping ordinary people or can reinforce some of the anti-democratic trends that we\u2019ve already seen.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Last month, the former President joined New York City\u2019s mayor, Zohran Mamdani, on a visit to a preschool in the Bronx. \u201cI think the very best leaders can tap into the Zeitgeist of the moment,\u201d Obama said.<\/span>Photograph by Angelina Katsanis \/ Getty<\/span><\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<\/div>\n

Obama also sees storytelling as a way to advance an agenda. In 2013, nearly a year into his second term, he told a group of entertainment professionals that their films and TV shows \u201ctransmit values and ideals about tolerance and diversity and overcoming adversity\u201d that shape the world\u2019s culture. For years, he courted the deep-pocketed celebrities who flocked to him and fuelled his campaigns, holding private audiences with them. In the final year of his Presidency, he began mulling the idea of forming a Hollywood production company that would acquire, promote, and sometimes create films, along with audio and video series, that would advance ideas important to him and to Michelle, and give him a lucrative foothold in the industry.<\/p>\n

The Obamas named the company Higher Ground, after the Stevie Wonder song, and signed an exclusive deal with Netflix. (Obama recently said that when that contract ends, next year, the company will become independent.) Higher Ground\u2019s projects have ranged widely, from \u201cDescendant,\u201d a documentary that traces the legacy of the Clotilda, the last slave ship to reach the United States, to a podcast series about Fela Kuti, the Nigerian Afrobeat innovator, which this year received a Peabody Award. \u201cCrip Camp,\u201d a 2020 documentary that was nominated for an Oscar, focusses on a summer camp in the Catskills for disabled teen-agers which helped spur the disability-rights movement.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Obama estimates that he spends ten per cent of his time on Higher Ground. In some cases, he reads a script or views a cut and sends notes to the director. A project that he nurtured from the start is a four-part Netflix series called \u201cWorking,\u201d inspired by Studs Terkel\u2019s 1974 oral history. Terkel conducted long interviews with Americans about their jobs, and in the series we hear from such people as a Mississippi home health aide, a Pennsylvania delivery driver, and a California robotics engineer. Higher Ground recruited a little-known director, Caroline Suh, who said that Obama\u2019s involvement and the seriousness of his approach to the project persuaded her to take it on. \u201cHe cared about not stereotyping people and not relying on tropes. He was very sensitive that we not be lazy about that,\u201d Suh said. \u201cHe\u2019s forceful and direct but always calm. He was very respectful of the fact that this is what we all do for a living.\u201d<\/p>\n

Though Obama has not lived in Chicago since 2008, he is keen to show his continuing connection to the city where he began his political career. The Obama Foundation\u2014his most ambitious and, he feels certain, most lasting post-Presidential project\u2014is based on the South Side, where he worked as a community organizer and later served as an Illinois state senator. One program, called My Brother\u2019s Keeper, provides training and mentorship to young people of color; it grew out of Obama\u2019s efforts to support Black boys and young men following the acquittal of Trayvon Martin\u2019s killer. \u201cSome communities have consistently had the odds stacked against them, and that\u2019s especially true for boys and young men of color,\u201d he said, in 2016. The program, which operates in fifty-five communities around the country, works with tens of thousands of young people.<\/p>\n

Last year, Obama met in Newark with eight young men who had flown to Brazil for a cultural-exchange program, as part of My Brother\u2019s Keeper. In an hour-long conversation, Obama told them that they were \u201cdealt harder cards than others\u201d and referred to moments in his own adolescence. \u201cI got high, I got drunk,\u201d he said. \u201cI liked basketball and girls, and that was basically my focus for a while.\u201d He went on to talk about how he shaped up and found focus. He finished by telling them, \u201cI\u2019m proud of you.\u201d<\/p>\n

In December, Obama spoke to dozens of college students, who had come to Chicago from across the country as part of the foundation\u2019s leadership-development program. The next day, at a South Side public library named for the Black aviator Bessie Coleman, he met with two dozen children who were part of My Brother\u2019s Keeper-run literacy programs. Obama was wearing a Santa hat, but, rather than selecting a Christmas tale, the library staff had him read the story of Coleman\u2019s determination to surmount racism by proving her excellence: \u201cBessie said, \u2018Oh yeah? You just wait and see! There\u2019ll be a black female pilot. And it will be ME!\u2019\u00a0\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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More than fifteen hundred people from around the world have passed through the Obama Foundation\u2019s Leaders Program, a multimillion-dollar training and networking project, started in 2018, that Obama considers a long-term bet on progressive change. One of them is Nika Kova\u010d, a Slovenian activist who led a campaign that persuaded the European Union to help underwrite the travel and medical costs of women who are forced to leave their countries to obtain abortions. Kova\u010d attended her first Leaders Program sessions virtually, during the pandemic. \u201cIt\u2019s hard-core training, but at the same time they give you a feeling that you can do big things,\u201d Kova\u010d told me. Her campaign involved gathering more than a million signatures; many were collected by Obama Foundation alumni. \u201cThe people leading the program are the first people you call when they attack you on the street or when you win an election,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n

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These programs will soon operate out of the Obama Presidential Center. The campus, which is spread across nineteen acres, cost an estimated eight hundred and fifty million dollars to build. It\u2019s situated on the grounds of a park originally designed by Frederick Law Olmsted and includes a museum, a playground, and a man-made sledding hill. It\u2019s not called a library, partly because Obama\u2019s Presidential documents are being held separately, by the National Archives and Records Administration. (By the foundation\u2019s estimate, ninety-five per cent of the records originated in digital form.) But there is a branch of the Chicago Public Library on the campus, and among its offerings are thirty-five hundred books that reflect the Obamas\u2019 interests, including Chicago history.<\/p>\n

The center is designed to be open to the community, \u201ca physical manifestation of their life\u2019s philosophy,\u201d a staff member said of the Obamas. It is fitted out with a teaching kitchen, a podcast-production space, a large classroom called the Democracy in Action Lab, and a recording studio. Maya Lin and Richard Hunt are among the artists whose work is displayed, and elements of the campus are named for John Lewis, Harriet Tubman, Elie Wiesel, and Hadiya Pendleton, a fifteen-year-old girl killed in 2013 by gunfire at a South Side park. After attending her funeral, Michelle Obama said, \u201cHadiya Pendleton was me, and I was her.\u201d<\/p>\n

On the blustery day when I first visited the center, hundreds of workers were scattered around the site, moving dirt, installing wiring, fitting the interlocking floorboards of the basketball court, and tending to a two-hundred-and-twenty-five-foot structure, clad in gray-swirled New Hampshire granite, that wags have nicknamed the Obamalisk. Inside are museum spaces that tell the story of Obama\u2019s Presidency, grounded in the country\u2019s tormented racial history. On the top floor, in a room designed for visitors to reflect in after they have worked their way to the end of the Obamas\u2019 White House years, the largest windows face south and west, a nod to the city\u2019s Black neighborhoods.<\/p>\n

At the building\u2019s peak, five-foot-tall concrete letters spell out a hundred and three words of a speech delivered by Obama in Selma, Alabama, in 2015, on the fiftieth anniversary of Bloody Sunday, when John Lewis and other civil-rights activists were beaten at the foot of the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Obama\u2019s remarks, written with Cody Keenan, his chief White House speechwriter, acknowledged the raw facts of conquest and slavery, hierarchy and domination, but also paid tribute to a heroic vision embodied by the civil-rights coalition of activists, Pullman porters, rabbis, ministers, and college kids facing down billy clubs and police dogs. \u201cAmerica is not the project of any one person,\u201d Obama said in the speech. \u201cThe single most powerful word in our democracy is the word \u2018We.\u2019 \u2018We the people.\u2019 \u2018We shall overcome.\u2019 \u2018Yes we can.\u2019\u00a0\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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A hulking gray tower was not what the center\u2019s architects, Billie Tsien and Tod Williams, had in mind when they competed for the job. Their work, which includes the Barnes Foundation, in Philadelphia, and the low-slung additions to the Phoenix Art Museum, is often defined by a \u201cquietness,\u201d Tsien told me. She and Williams caught the Obamas\u2019 eye by proposing a campus, rather than a single building. But, in a series of meetings that began while Obama was still in the White House, he pushed them to go bigger. \u201cHe was saying we should up our ante,\u201d Williams said, acknowledging that the repeated demands made him uneasy. \u201cYet another time, he drew on one of my drawings, made a strong mark, which indicated that he didn\u2019t think I was being bold enough. Those little things sting. But they also moved everything forward.\u201d<\/p>\n

At one point, Obama asked the architects to think of the works of Constantin Brancusi, the modernist sculptor known for his inventive shapes and textures. \u201cWhat the hell does he mean?\u201d Williams wondered. The architects puzzled over the reference before concluding that it was an invitation to design a building \u201cto be seen as an art piece and not just as architecture,\u201d Williams said. \u201cThat really cranked it up for us: \u2018Oh, my God, this is serious shit.\u2019 He wanted us to do something that we had not done before, and that is hard. He didn\u2019t let it rest.\u201d After Obama instructed them to experiment with different shapes, they returned several weeks later with twenty-five variations, later winnowed to one. And still Obama wanted changes. As Williams put it, the result is \u201cvery much a product of his vision as well as ours.\u201d<\/p>\n

Near the end of our conversation, Obama and I turned to the subject of the war in Iran and the erosion of American alliances under Trump. \u201cI do think that repairing the damage that\u2019s been done to the international order is going to be even harder than some of the domestic repairs,\u201d Obama said. \u201cI think one way to think about it is that the post-World War Two order was one of America\u2019s better moments.\u201d<\/p>\n

Obama noted that postwar arrangements, including the Marshall Plan, NATO<\/em>, the World Bank and Bretton Woods\u2014\u201cthat whole system, for all its flaws and all of its contradictions\u201d\u2014helped insure that \u201cthe world was less violent, healthier, wealthier, more equal, more respectful of human rights. Because the most powerful country in the world said, \u2018We are not just going to throw our weight around for the sake of it. We\u2019re not just going to go ahead and demand tribute and bully people. We\u2019re going to be part of some larger consensus around how things should work.\u2019\u00a0\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Trump disrupted all that by pulling out of the Paris climate accord and the Iran nuclear deal, and by imposing tariffs and threatening to seize Greenland. America\u2019s allies, Obama said, \u201ccan no longer count on us being the hub of that international order.\u201d (He mentioned the Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney\u2019s speech at Davos calling on \u201cmiddle powers\u201d to combat Trump\u2019s arrogance, describing it as \u201ca pretty good summation of how our closest allies feel right now.\u201d) The tragedy of this, he continued, is that \u201cthere still is no one that can replace us. If we don\u2019t talk about human rights, human rights don\u2019t get talked about that much. If we aren\u2019t concerned about climate change, truthfully, other countries can give lip service to it and do some things, but they\u2019re not really going to tackle it. So our leadership is still going to matter enormously, but it\u2019s probably going to start with leadership by example more than anything else, rather than dictates.\u201d<\/p>\n

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I asked about the effect of Trump\u2019s recent threat to the Iranians that, if they failed to capitulate, \u201ca whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.\u201d Obama took a breath and refused the low road: \u201cI believe American leadership, as represented by the American President, has to reflect a basic regard for human dignity and decency, not just within our own borders but beyond. That\u2019s part of the responsibility of leadership. If we are not giving voice to those core values\u2014that there are innocent people in countries with terrible governments and we have to care about those people, that we can make mistakes if we are not guarding against hubris and pure self-interest\u00a0.\u00a0.\u00a0.\u00a0If we don\u2019t have those things, the world can break in very bad ways.\u201d<\/p>\n

Trump, in an attempt to make a new deal with the Iranian regime, is now entertaining many of the trade-offs that he blasted when Obama was in the White House. Obama, for his part, told me that Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, had made the same arguments for armed confrontation with Iran to him that he did to President Trump. \u201cI think my prognosis was accurate,\u201d he said. It may be that Netanyahu has \u201cgotten what he wanted. Whether that\u2019s what is ultimately best for the Israeli people, I would question that. Whether I think it\u2019s what is good for the United States and America, I would question that. I think there\u2019s an ample record of my differences with Mr. Netanyahu.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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It has been a decade since Obama delivered his farewell speech in Chicago, in which he told his dejected supporters that he was \u201cmore optimistic about this country than when we started.\u201d He does not say that now, but, even as he admits that his confidence has been shaken, his approach to politics remains largely unchanged. As we walked through a museum dedicated to his faith in a perpetual, however jagged, path forward, I was reminded of something that Michelle said of her husband when she addressed the 2012 Democratic National Convention: \u201cHe reminds me that we are playing a long game here, and that change is hard and change is slow.\u201d<\/p>\n

These days, Obama spends a lot of time talking with younger people. With them, he is an elder refuting the notion that things have never been worse. \u201cI say, \u2018No, you know what? Civil War\u2014really bad. Jim Crow\u2014tough. You know, our parents, our grandparents, our great-grandparents went through stuff that was profoundly tougher than what we\u2019re going through,\u2019\u00a0\u201d the former President said. \u201cAnd I say that not to pull rank on them but, rather, to pull them out of any kind of hopelessness about the situation.\u201d\u00a0\u2666<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

In Barack Obama\u2019s final days in office, he found himself in the painful position of trying to console his staff, the Democratic Party, and millions of supporters. He attempted to convince them\u2014even if he could not entirely convince himself\u2014that the looming Presidency of Donald Trump was not a national calamity. In the past, he would […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":12513,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-12512","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12512","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=12512"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12512\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/12513"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=12512"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=12512"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wpinitiate.com\/echo-test\/demo973e36f5\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=12512"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}